Sun, 20 September 2009 This week on the Gamma Quadrant, Lwaxana Troi gets a new boyfriend, Chief O'Brien gets a new puppy, and Julien Bashir gets a new set of diplomat friends. We never solve the mystery of who exactly is forsaken in this episode. Comments[6] |
Hey all, another excellent podcast. As usual I'm chiming in with a couple geeky notes. First I wanted to point out that Majel Barrett only performed the role of Lwaxana in this episode. The station computer's voice was provided, as always, by Judi Durand. It is true that Barrett provided the voice of most Federation computers on all of the series and movies, but the DS9 computer is Cardassian, and therefore has always had a different voice.
As for Betazoids not being able to read Ferengi, yes this fact was "established" in Menage a Troi, despite going against a previous episode (The Battle) where Deanna sensed the Ferengi captain's emotions. The inability was apparently made canon as it came up again in future episodes of both TNG and DS9.
As for Betazoids not being able to read Ferengi, yes this fact was "established" in Menage a Troi, despite going against a previous episode (The Battle) where Deanna sensed the Ferengi captain's emotions. The inability was apparently made canon as it came up again in future episodes of both TNG and DS9.
Good call, Greg! And good call, Valerie! Love Lwaxana, too! Eccentric, flamboyant, sufferable...but compassionate, lovable (for the most part), and an effective foil to the logical, technical mindset. The Odo-Lwaxana storyline was fun and well-played...as both actors showed great rapport and comedic timing on the "elevator."
So who's forsaken? I agree with Ryan...in that all the major characters in each of the storylines seem to both forsake and be forsaken. In true Star Trek fashion...each finds a way to overcome frustrations and biases and realize a positive resolution. Overall...interesting and satisfying.
I do agree with Seth...I'm a bit perplexed and miffed at the off-handed way in which they shuffled off the alien "pup" program-entity to the attention-occupying "dog house." Sure O'Brien will take care of it...but is that it? Is that an appropriate fate? Even with plenty of toys and food...a dog house is still a dog house. I think the program-entity...and we...deserved more/better. (BTW - Do we ever hear of the program-entity again? I don't think so....) IMHO, a small but significant dis to an otherwise above-average episode.
So who's forsaken? I agree with Ryan...in that all the major characters in each of the storylines seem to both forsake and be forsaken. In true Star Trek fashion...each finds a way to overcome frustrations and biases and realize a positive resolution. Overall...interesting and satisfying.
I do agree with Seth...I'm a bit perplexed and miffed at the off-handed way in which they shuffled off the alien "pup" program-entity to the attention-occupying "dog house." Sure O'Brien will take care of it...but is that it? Is that an appropriate fate? Even with plenty of toys and food...a dog house is still a dog house. I think the program-entity...and we...deserved more/better. (BTW - Do we ever hear of the program-entity again? I don't think so....) IMHO, a small but significant dis to an otherwise above-average episode.
Thanks for the clrification, Greg. I thought the omputer sounded a little bit different and that makes sense now.
I was a bit worried about this one before I watched it since Lwaxana shows are really hit or miss for me. I remember an Alexander/Lwaxana episode of Next Gen that I just despised. The higher the fewer indeed...
I was a bit worried about this one before I watched it since Lwaxana shows are really hit or miss for me. I remember an Alexander/Lwaxana episode of Next Gen that I just despised. The higher the fewer indeed...
Good points above. I'd like to add that the Betazoid costume idea was one of the most brilliant in Star Trek history. No masks or tentacles or extra limbs. Just pop in a couple of black contact lenses and everyone knows what you are. For some reason it makes the women look hotter too. Val, would you mind? :)
Best,
Tom
Best,
Tom
posted by: Tom Chaudoir on Wed, 9/23 09:05 PM EDT
Hey Ryan, I kind of like that TNG episode you're referring to. Not the weirdos in the holodeck program per se, but I thought the interaction between Lwaxana and Alexander was a lot of fun. And I absolutely love it anytime Worf has to put up with her calling him "Mr. Woof". (An honest mistake I say...after all, that's how it sounds when Picard says it.) Anyway, to this day my wife uses Alexander's "HAH!" from that episode as an expression of extreme satisfaction.
Tom that's a great point about the contacts. They make the women look more intense and the men creepier (especially Brad Dourif on Voyager, who doesn't need help looking creepy to begin with).
Tom that's a great point about the contacts. They make the women look more intense and the men creepier (especially Brad Dourif on Voyager, who doesn't need help looking creepy to begin with).
I remember in Menage a Troi that Data was the one who brought up Ferengi having four brain lobes, and just as he was about to speculate on how that might prevent Betazoids from picking up their emotions, someone interrupted him. I really wish he had been allowed to explain his theory.
It's interesting that in a much later episode, Odo mentions that he has come to terms with being a changeling and sometime doesn't even bother to regenerate in his bowl, preferring instead to spill out all over the floor of his quarters. Perhaps this means that he would have been just fine even if Lwaxana hadn't been there with her non-porous dress.
It's interesting that in a much later episode, Odo mentions that he has come to terms with being a changeling and sometime doesn't even bother to regenerate in his bowl, preferring instead to spill out all over the floor of his quarters. Perhaps this means that he would have been just fine even if Lwaxana hadn't been there with her non-porous dress.
posted by: tvindy on Tue, 9/29 07:03 PM EDT
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